EP15 – Accountability plus how to lose belly fat with guest Shari Johnson

Hello. Hello. Hello. So welcome to self startups. Today I’m going to be talking accountability. And then a little bit later on, I’m going to be talking to Shari Johnson about belly fat and how to get rid of it. So if that’s something you want to do, listen into that a little bit later on, but first accountability.

You know, running a business is hard. We shy away from the tasks that aren’t sexy and look for easy ways to get to the goals we want to reach. We especially shy away from tasks that trigger our beliefs about ourselves, like our mindset around money or charging for our services. That’s why we need accountability in business.

So many people out there are talking about how you need a coach and how you need coaching and what they really mean is you need accountability.

You can figure out most of what you need to do for yourself on a practical level. I truly believe this. You know, I teach processes and it’s nice to have a process outlined for you, but you could actually do it on your own. You could figure it out or you can hire somebody to show you how to do it, [00:02:00] or they can do the work for you, like a paid social manager.

Why you need accountability in business

However, the one thing that a hire can’t do for you is to lead your business and deliver the value that you personally bring. That one is on you. You need to work on yourself and that’s where a coach or an accountability partner is essential. Accountability partners keep you going when you don’t know what to do or whether you even want to continue.

A good accountability partner will also ask you to account for yourself and ask you why you haven’t addressed the tasks you have been avoiding. That help is worth its weight in gold. So my advice is seek accountability. It will help you to grow.

Next. I’m going to be talking to Shari Johnson who’s a health coach at Happy Vibes Health, and who helps women in mid-life lose weight. We’re going to be talking about belly fat Shari lives in New York. [00:03:00] And if you listen right to the very end, we talk again about accountability.

Hello. Hello. Hello. Okay. So today I’m going to be talking to Shari Johnson, who is a certified women’s wellness coach. And her company is called Happy Vibes Health, which I really like the idea of !Happy, happy we all could do with being happier, couldn’t we? So, hello Shari.

Shari Johnson: Thank you for having me.

Annette Clubley: Thank you so much for taking the time.

I really appreciate it. So I think we’re going to talk today about belly fat and things around belly fat. So things like how they impact on your health and what we can do about them and what we can’t do about them. So what’s in our control and what’s not out of our control. And I think that’s going to be very interesting to a [00:04:00] huge number of our audience, me included and particularly around the sort of mid-life time, that’s when it really starts to hit home, doesn’t it?

Shari Johnson: Yeah.

Annette Clubley: Yes, yes, yes, absolutely.

Hormonal changes in mid-life

Shari Johnson: So, so the reason why it seems like, you know, we’re probably getting through like our twenties and thirties and I we’re, we’re, we’re pretty good with like our weight and, you know, kind of keeping it all under control and then it almost feels like 40 hits. I always call it like, it’s like, did the belly fat fairy show up overnight? Like just like give me this? Like, because it happens so quickly, it feels like, and really what it can always be linked back to is our hormones. And as we get older, our hormones start to fluctuate. They start to change. And especially for women, men go through this too. My focus is always [00:05:00] on, on women. And when it comes to belly fat there are five hormones that you really are focusing on.

The first three are the sex hormones, so that’s estrogen, progesterone, testosterone, and then other two are cortisol and insulin. And so those are the ones that tend to get a little bit out of whack. And if we can kind of pull them in and try to get them as much back into balance with each other as possible, that’s when all of a sudden, I think we can feel like we’re a little bit more in control of our health journey and start to actually reduce the belly fat, lose some of the weight.

And also the bonuses are things like, you know, more energy, better sleep, a better mood. It just, it, it, it, everything tends to fall into place when our hormones are balanced.

Annette Clubley: Okay. Okay. And do the same five hormones apply to men [00:06:00] and women, or these specifically woman?

Shari Johnson: So, like I said, I focus mostly on women, but yeah, for men too. And it’s, it’s funny because when you think like, well, estrogen and progesterone, like guys don’t have that, they actually do.

Annette Clubley: Okay.

Shari Johnson: Obviously not in the same levels as we do much like we don’t have testosterone in the same levels that they do, but we all have it. And So quickly for men, what tends to happen as they get older, estrogen, especially can be… I always call it. I always compare like the sex hormones, so again, estrogen, progesterone, testosterone. I always compare them to like Diana Ross and the Supremes. I’m like estrogen is sort of like the leader. She’s the diva. If she’s not happy, nobody’s happy. And then the other two are like the Supremes that are just sort of supporting..

Annette Clubley: Love that.

Shari Johnson: I love analogies. And what [00:07:00] tends to happen is when our hormones start to fluctuate and progesterone is going down and estrogen is going up, we actually fall into what’s called estrogen dominance. And what happens with estrogen dominance and slightly still focusing on the men here. But this is where all of a sudden, it’s going to affect your metabolism, does that for both men and women. But for men, this is where all of a sudden the belly fat comes and they start to kind of get those man boobs. This is all again, estrogen driven and also their testosterone is going down a little bit. So their lean body mass, isn’t what it used to be. And so it just hormonally, you’re kind of getting set up for this perfect storm. Gaining weight and gaining weight in particular, in areas of the body where it’s not the most healthy, which is belly fat.

Annette Clubley: Mm mm mm. [00:08:00] And do you think there’s, do you think there’s a lot of ignorance about it? Do you think, you know, do you think that women who are going through mid-life they know there’s a hormonal imbalance because they know that their emotions are going up and down and they’ve got night sweats and things like that, the obvious things. Do you think that we’re educated enough about what is really happening in terms of our hormones and what we can do about it?

Shari Johnson: Yeah, unfortunately I don’t think we’re well, enough educated, right? The tide is changing and things are getting better. I think a lot of where this begins is in the doctor’s office. John Hopkins university did a study several years ago and they discovered that fewer than one in five OB GYN had really any kind of training for perimenopause and menopause.

And I think. Medical schools again, I think [00:09:00] the tide is changing, but I think a lot of times they just feel like they’ll go on, they’ll figure it out on their own once they have their practice. I think as doctors, I think they want to help their patients. They want to make them feel better. They want to, you know, give them resources. But I think when they’re not, well-educated enough. They’re at a little bit of a loss on exactly what to do. So I think what starts to happen, especially for women when she goes into her doctor’s office and whether it’s it’s her general practitioner or an OB GYN. A lot of the symptoms she’s having that it was created by these hormonal imbalances.

The doctors tend to just think, well, let’s put a bandaid on it, let’s fix it. So that’s where all of a sudden the prescription pad comes out and the prescriptions are written for like antidepressants sleeping pills, things like that. And so you’re never [00:10:00] really digging down and thinking, well, what is the root cause of these sleeping issues, these mood problems, like, you know, and I think that’s why we’re, we’re just, all of us are still kind of struggling with, you know, what on earth is going on with our bodies, because I don’t, a lot of us know exactly what it is and more powerfully that there’s a lot we can do. To help ourselves that doesn’t involve going to the pharmacy and getting a prescription filled.

Annette Clubley: Yes. So there is help out there somewhere, and there is a solution. I’m very glad to hear that. So before we do, before we look at solution, should we talk about why it matters? I mean, why does it matter? Why does it matter if you’re that little bit heavier than you were in your twenties or thirties?

Shari Johnson: Yeah. So, and you know [00:11:00] this, if you do get the belly fat, even when you’re younger, it’s still the same idea because as you’re, as you’re gaining this belly fat a couple of things are happening. First of all, it’s, it’s considered visceral fat. So it’s not that, that subcutaneous fat that’s super easy to lose. It’s literally surrounding your internal organs.

So sometimes I’ve actually had people ask me, well, can I just go and have it liposuctioned out, which would be beautiful, right? Like that would be like perfect.

Annette Clubley: Yes please!,

Shari Johnson: But the answer is no you can’t. And what starts to happen is, again, you’re setting yourself up for kind of this perfect storm of hormonal imbalance. So kind of going back to what happens with belly fat you know, as women, you know, the estrogen starts to get a little crazy and our metabolism goes down and our estrogen is what it’s one of the components that helps [00:12:00] regulate our metabolism and weight.

Annette Clubley: Okay.

Shari Johnson: So that, as that starts to go down, it just starts to become a natural place for fat to be stored. And this is where I also want to touch on the two other hormones, cortisol and insulin.

Annette Clubley: Okay.

Shari Johnson: So cortisol is actually, it’s a great hormone to have because it’s a stress hormone. It’s where we get our fight or flight.

Chronic stress and our hormones

And if we’re in an acute stress position where, you know, only, you know, kind of the classic example is you’re being chased by a tiger, so you get that shot of, you know, adrenaline, you get out of danger and then everything kind of comes back down. With the world we live in now, between what’s happening just in our day-to-day lives, turning on the news, watching all of that.

Our brain gets to the point where [00:13:00] it can’t distinguish what’s actually happening in our real environment versus all this perceived danger and stress. So we go into a state of chronic stress. So then the cortisol is firing non-stop. So what happens is when that cortisol is firing, the body is thinking to itself, Hey, I need to get out of here because I’m being chased by a tiger, which means I need to start feeding myself. So you’re going to start to get that release of glucose into the blood and you’re going to start craving like those sugary salty snacks, because that’s going to be your, your quick, like hit of glucose into your bloodstream.

So now you’ve got all of this in your bloodstream. So this is where. Insulin gets triggered and insulin is actually considered the fat storing hormone. So [00:14:00] insulin gets triggered by the pancreas because insulin’s job is to go out into the bloodstream. And it’s kind of, think of insulin as like the key that’s going to unlock the door of your cells so that this glucose can get in, feed the cells, give them energy. And then once, once the, you know, cells are fed and they’re happy, it’s kind of like, well, if there’s extra glucose, it’s like, what do we do with it? It’s like, it’s like having extra food in the house. Let’s go put it in the pantry and we’ll store it for later, where it starts to get stored in the belly area, because again, we’re in this perpetual state of stress. And so the body starts thinking we want to have this like reserve of fat, which is food for ourselves because we’re in this state of stress. Let’s keep it close to the liver because then the liver can convert it quickly into glucose.

And then [00:15:00] also because we’re in the state of danger. Let’s put it toward the belly because now we’re protecting our internal organs.

Annette Clubley: Ah, that makes sense!

Why belly fat is bad for us

Shari Johnson: So it all heads to the belly. Now to get back to your original question, I’m taking the long road to answer this. So what happens though is when we do have this visceral belly fat. It actually, that fat itself becomes hormonally active, which is not a good thing. And it starts to set us up for increased risk of high blood pressure, high cholesterol, heart disease.

It can start to set us up and go down the road of being pre-diabetic to diabetic and essentially this kind of this whole like pot of, you know, potential diseases is what’s known as metabolic syndrome because some people [00:16:00] literally are ticking the box on all of these. And that is why belly fat tends to be so dangerous because it really does set you up for all these potential diseases.

Annette Clubley: Yeah. Yeah. All of these serious diseases.

Shari Johnson: Yeah.

Annette Clubley: Okay. So. What can we do about it? Do you have a magic wand?

Shari Johnson: I wish I had a magic wand. I don’t mean to be, you know, the buzz kill here, but yes, this is not something that is like, oh, you know, lose belly fat in seven days. It it’s going to take some work and it’s going to take some time, but you can do it, that ‘s..

Annette Clubley: It is possible.

How to lose belly fat

Shari Johnson: It is possible. And I always think there’s, there’s, four ways to approach this, you have to look at how you’re eating, how you’re moving, how you’re sleeping and how you’re dealing [00:17:00] with stress.

Annette Clubley: Okay.

Shari Johnson: If you look at all of those. And start to act on all of those to improve it. That’s when all of a sudden the hormones can start to come back into balance. Looking at let’s just say like how we’re eating.

So again, we are kind of in this like state of the world where everything is super convenient. Yeah. Everything is in a package everything’s premade, or, you know, we stop at a fast food place and it’s, it’s all there for us.

Annette Clubley: Yeah.

Shari Johnson: The problem is much of what is sort of that easy pre-packaged, ready to go food is going to be really high in processed carbohydrate which the body essentially will recognize a sugar. Those foods are also a lot of times high in sugar. There’s a lot of hidden sugars in the world. And they, even, when you look at the label, you have to be [00:18:00] very S you know, kind of smart, because a lot of these sugars go by, I think there’s like at least 60, probably more different names for sugar than just some sugar. So again, you’re, you’re, you’re starting to consume so much of these processed carbs, so much of these refined sugars. And again, your body, when they, when it processes it, it converts it into glucose, it sends it off into your bloodstream and it starts that cycle of the insulin getting released and, you know, using what it can, and then putting everything back into the pantry, which is essentially your fat cells.

So a couple of little tricks you can do as far as eating. I always like to say, I think a lot of us have forgotten how to listen to our body. Don’t really take the time [00:19:00] to see how a food is making us feel. I think it’s, I think even when we eat, sometimes we’re not even thinking about what we eat. We’re just, again, we’re in this like state of rush, rush. Hurry, hurry.

Annette Clubley: Yes. It’s mindless. Even if you’re not in a rush, you eat in front of a television or you eat…. Yeah. Exactly. So you’re not thinking about what you’re eating. Yeah.

Shari Johnson: So. A really good, simple place to start is obviously you want to cut back on those refined, you know, carbs and sugars.

But let’s just say like, you’re like, I can’t do it. I can’t, I can’t let go of like my carbs and sugars right now. If you at least can pair that meal with a healthy fat and a healthy protein. What you’re doing is you’re allowing the body to slow down [00:20:00] how quickly that glucose is getting released into your bloodstream.

Annette Clubley: Okay.

Shari Johnson: So it’s not, it’s not a quick fix. It’s not. But it it’s, it’s like a tiny step forward. Cause you’re not getting that rush of glucose into your bloodstream. But now obviously to go further now, what you want to start to do is really start to look at where those refined carbs and sugars are coming from and pull back on that.

And it’s, it’s hard because. They can actually be quite addictive. They’ve actually shown that sugar lights up the same exact spot in the brain as heroin. And the food companies know this. And so this is how they kind of craft and create their foods so that it really like lights up that like pleasure spot in the brain.

So then we crave even more of it. And that’s why it’s so hard for people to, [00:21:00] you know, give up the carbs, donuts and the breads and the pastas and the cakes and the cookies. And it’s, it literally is. It gives our brain pleasure.

Annette Clubley: Yeah.

Shari Johnson: So yeah, the next step, if you can really start to like, pull back on that, another like kind of like quick thing too, is take a look at what, where your liquid sugars come in.

So any type of you know, sugary like coffee drinks, things like Gatorade. I probably, I probably shouldn’t name brands, sports drinks. Drinks have lots and lots of sugars in them. Just regular. Yeah…

Annette Clubley: Carbonated.

Shari Johnson: The carbonated beverages. And again, then that’s again, that’s that really quick hit of sugar for the body and it’s, it’s where you’re going to get that insulin spike.

So ideally I, everyone is a bio individual. So what works well [00:22:00] for one person may not work well for you. This is why there’s always a diet dessert you’re out and it doesn’t work for everyone. And I think that’s why me as people start to feel like, oh, it’s us, I’m the failure. I’ve tried all the diets and I’m still.

’cause, it’s not, it’s not you, it’s just that that diet might not be the one that’s right for you. So again, listening to your body, deciding like what foods feel good in your body? And then you have to really do start to experiment and say to yourself, this is what’s going to help me lose weight. But I would say in general, for most people.

Yeah, cut back on those refined and processed foods, get some more like healthy fats, like avocado and nuts and seeds into your diet. Get some like healthy proteins where, you know, you’re talking like, you know, your, your fishes and your salmons. I’m a big fan of grass fed beef. Things like that. [00:23:00] And just, it, it really is about cleaning up your diet and being aware.

Annette Clubley: Yes. Yes. Yes. I have the, I have the benefit of having grown up in what was then Rhodesia and is now Zimbabwe in Africa. And I think that has been, that was incredible for us as children as a way to grow up. But also the diet was really good because there were no, there were no, we were in, we lived under sanctions.

And so there were no imported foods. So we didn’t have any of that supermarket choice that is a problem in a country like the UK, you know, you just didn’t have that option. You cook from scratch every night, because that was, that was the only option. There was, there were no convenience foods. There were very few takeaways.

And so everybody just cooked from scratch every night. And it was, you know, it was a pretty basic diet, you know, meat & two veg kind of thing. But actually that’s not a bad place to be in terms of diet.

Shari Johnson: Right.

Annette Clubley: And, and so [00:24:00] I actually think that was a huge, that’s a huge advantage. When you, because it, it is a little bit of, as a cultural thing isn’t it? I mean, there is that happiness. You know what I mean? When you think of happy food, you do think cake, donuts, you know?

Shari Johnson: Well, there’s, there’s, there’s a reason we’re not, you know, we’re blowing up candles on a birthday cake and not like on like on birthdays dakini. I’m like, there’s a reason for that.

Annette Clubley: Yes, exactly. Amazingly! Although beetroot cake and carrot cake are nice too!. They’re healthy. There’s vegetables in here. There’s still a shed load of sugar in them. Do you recommend intermittent fasting?.

Intermittent fasting and weight loss

Shari Johnson: I am a huge fan of intermittent fasting. And so I, I have several [00:25:00] clients, some of them, they love intermittent fasting. I do it myself. And then I have other clients that they’re just like, It’s not for me. Now. I think what’s, what’s confusing about intermittent fasting is that it’s a bit of an umbrella term, but there’s so many different ways to approach it.

The most common way. The way I actually suggest for most women is it’s called the 16 eight. So it’s for 16 hours. You’re not eating. And then for eight hours you have a window of you can eat. So for example, if you wake up, you don’t really have anything to eat until say 10:00 AM, and then you can eat through that window until about 6:00 PM.

So you can have a nice early dinner and then you’re done. You’re done until the next day. So when you look at it that way, It doesn’t feel like you’re going that long without food. Kind of the [00:26:00] caveat is that eight hour window is not a free for all. That does not mean you can eat however much, whatever you do to be mindful and eat a healthy.

But what the idea behind intermittent fasting is is that, when we eat. It usually it’s about four hours after we eat for our body to go through the process and sort of get whatever glucose was released from that meal, kind of like in the cells. And then back into the fat cells, anything that’s kind of going into the pantry.

And then our kind of our blood comes back down to like that, that I guess, you know, Resting state of, of where you want to be with your, your glucose and your insulin. As you continue past these four hours as your body feels like it needs more energy. That’s when it starts to think. Well, shoot. There’s no, there’s, there’s no food just [00:27:00] floating around in the bloodstream.

We should probably go to the pantry and see what’s there. And the first place it goes is the liver. And this is where it gets glycogen. So then the liberal release, the glycogen, it gets converted into glucose. You know. Our cells get fed, they’re happy. And then as we continue to fast, it’s kind of, again, our cells get hungry and it goes, Hm, where should we go?

I guess we have to go back to the pantry. Cause there’s no glucose in the blood. And then it starts to tap into the fat cells. And that’s where it’s getting it. So that’s the idea of why intermittent fasting has really become so popular because you really are going back into those, the stored fat for your food source for yourself.

A couple of other different styles of intermittent fasting .There’s, this one is where you eat normally for five days and then for two days you do a severe [00:28:00] calorie reduction. So usually for those two days, you’re really only eating between maybe five and 600 calories for the day.

And then that works really well for some women. I have a client who does that and she was pre-diabetic and it really. She saw fantastic results with it. And she loved it because she didn’t feel like she was being deprived and she found it just quite easy to on the weekend have this like, very like reduced calorie intake. But yeah, it definitely brought her numbers back into line.

She, she started to lose weight and really just feeling great. And then another popular form of intermittent fasting is the 24 hour period of on, and then 24 hours off. So 24 hours you’re allowed to eat, than 24 hours you can fast .And there’s other methods too, but I feel like those are kind of the three popular ones.

And then, and obviously then the theory behind them is all very similar with this whole idea of using up whatever glucose is in the blood, and then going back [00:29:00] to the, you know, to the body, to like tap that for the stored energy and food.

Annette Clubley: Yeah, 24 hours on 24 hours off feels very extreme to me.

Shari Johnson: I would, I would, I can’t do that because for my 24 hours off, I would not be able to see people because I would be like, so hangry.

Annette Clubley: Yes.

Shari Johnson: I’d be snapping at them.

Annette Clubley: That’s exactly me. That’s exactly me. Yeah. Yeah. That’s exactly why I don’t think I could do it.

Shari Johnson: 16 eight works so well for me, it’s like, I kinda like it now. I eat an early dinner. I’m done. That’s it. So, yeah, it’s it’s, like I said, I think that’s the easiest one to try.

Annette Clubley: So if you manage to get, if you manage to get eating right done, and you managed to get some exercise and some movement done, and you’re getting a good night’s sleep, does that then bring your hormones back into balance?

Boosting your metabolism with exercise

Shari Johnson: Yes, it will start to do [00:30:00] that. And again, it’s, it’s a matter of listening to your body and like learning how to tweak things and also realizing like what works well for you because. Just going back to even the idea of exercise. We want to look at a couple of things. I’m always a big fan of making sure you have something in your exercise practice, like yoga, Tai Chi, meditation, something that’s really going to kind of calm your nervous system down and that’s, what’s going to help lower your cortisol. And then also I’m a big fan of doing something for like strength training, because now you’re building your lean body mass, and that’s going to be great for your metabolism. It’s also going to be a boost for your testosterone and having like testosterone is great, cause yes, then it’s going to also support that lean body mass. It’s going to be great for your libido. And it’s great for [00:31:00] energy. Some women I know, will do the, the hiit, which is the high intensity interval training. But for some women, it doesn’t work because the body starts to look at that level of exercise, as stress.

So sometimes that’s when like everything’s individual and you have to start to realize what works well for you. Because I have a friend she’s 49. She does hit, she looks fantastic. She loves it. I tried to do it. I thought I was going to die. I would just rather lift weights. Like it’s very like cathartic and very meditative.

Annette Clubley: Okay.

Shari Johnson: So yeah, I definitely feel like you just need to find something where you’re going to calm your nervous system and find something that’s going to build your lean body mass.

Annette Clubley: Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense to me because I’ve definitely been in exercise classes that are stressful because you’ve got to keep up, because it’s so fast paced, because it’s [00:32:00] so yeah, so physical and you… yeah. Yeah. You find yourself dreading going to them because you just think, that’s too much, I can’t do this. And then, then you give up and actually that’s worse than you know, doing a much more and doing another bit of exercise that suits you better, you know?

Shari Johnson: Yes.

Annette Clubley: Doing another form of exercise that fits in with you and your life better. Yeah. Otherwise you don’t move at all and that’s a really, really bad for you, isn’t it?.

Shari Johnson: Yeah. And it’s, it’s interesting because, becoming sedentary as we get older is probably one of the more dangerous things we can do. And it is a bit of an uphill battle because for women, as our estrogen declines, it actually biologically triggers us to want to be more sedentary.

Annette Clubley: Okay.

Shari Johnson: So if you’re all of a sudden feeling like what happened, I used to love working out and now all I want to do is at the end of the [00:33:00] day, come home, hang out, sit on the couch, have a glass of wine. It’s not you, it’s really like this, this, these hormones that are telling your body, like, you know what, we don’t, we don’t feel like moving so much anymore.

Annette Clubley: Can we use that as an excuse,

Shari Johnson: ..But at least, you know why

Annette Clubley: it was worth a try? Wasn’t it.

Shari Johnson: And again, and that’s why you have to also look at like, well, okay. When do I know I’ll be able to stay dedicated to a workout practice. Like for me, if it doesn’t happen, first thing in the morning, it’s not happening. No matter how many promises I’ve made myself, no matter how many, like little tricks, like I’ll just wear my workout clothes. No, if I don’t do it, first thing in the morning, it’s not happening.

Annette Clubley: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it’s finding that time of day. Like some of us are morning people and some, [00:34:00] some of us are night owls. That kind of thing is finding that time of day. Because again, if it doesn’t fit in your routine and it doesn’t suit your energy level and you just don’t do it just doesn’t happen, does it? So tell me, how are you, how, how did you get started in this? You know, are you a trained nutritionist?

Health coaching

Shari Johnson: So the, the field of, so I’m, I’m a woman’s health coach and the field of health coaching is actually fairly new. It’s only about 15 years old. Now it is different than being a nutritionist or a dietician.

Although talking about someone’s diet is definitely within my scope of practice, I don’t necessarily prescribe, this is what you should be eating and this is how many grams of it. You should be eating. I’m I’m more about the, like, let’s, let’s try to see what works for you and let’s figure [00:35:00] out how this makes you feel and how it sits in your body and what it does to your body.

So that’s kind of where, like say the nutritionist dietician differs from the coach and. As a coach, when you start to think about, say like a sports coach, they’re really there to like motivate and observe and help that athlete reach their goal in a faster, more efficient, higher level than they could have on their own.

And so the same thing can be said for health coaching. What I do is I really kind of take it from a three-prong approach. I, I approach it from the mind body and spirit, because I don’t think you can separate one from the other. I think they’re all very interrelated and dependent on each other. And if one is off then the whole, system’s not going to really be able to be optimal [00:36:00] and actually kind of going back to the name of my company, the reason it is happy vibes is they’ve done a lot of research on, you know, approaching things with a positive attitude, being optimistic. And really, it kind of goes down this whole other road of epigenetics that I won’t get into, but it really does matter as far as, you know, you will have better health and lower your risk of disease just by being more positive.

Annette Clubley: Yeah, you definitely do. You definitely do. Epigenetics is fascinating, but I’ve only just started reading about it. So, yeah, really interesting. So how do you work with people normally? Do you work with people one-to-one or do you work in a group or how does it work?.

Shari Johnson: So I work just individually one-to-one with my clients, but what I’ve just few [00:37:00] months ago now I started up a Facebook group and I resisted for a while because I’m not a social media person. It’s just not my jam. But all of a sudden I thought, well, you know what, if I have a Facebook group, I can really create it the way I want it to be.

And so I look at it sort of like I’m, I have created this party, I’m the hostess of the party. So I can like, you know, make sure that it’s a little bit more fun and chatty and, you know, educational. And so. That’s where I would say I’m doing more of like like a group coaching, but it’s much more just sort of broad.

And I just, you know, like once a month I’ll, I’ll hop in to the group and I’ll just do a complimentary coaching, you know, with. If whoever has some questions.

Annette Clubley: Okay. Okay. But it’s very broad. It’s sort of very generalist. So you would be answering typical questions rather than an individual work, and when you work with one-to-one, it must be much [00:38:00] more powerful because it’s tailored to that person. And as you say, each person is different. And so one person will respond well to one thing and not to the other. And it’s finding that, bit like, you know marketing’s all about testing. Testing testing, testing, best case. So it’s a bit like that new taste, and you iterate, you test and iterate until you find what works basically. So it’s a bit like that, isn’t it. You come up with a plan for a person.

Shari Johnson: Right. So you start with what, where they want to be, what their goals are. And then we kind of reverse engineer, like, okay, how are we going to do this. How are we going to be able to do this in a fashion that’s going to get you there quickly, something that you’re going to feel good about and be able to stick with and really see the results that you’re after.

Annette Clubley: Yeah. Yeah, that sounds good to me, but it’s also, sometimes you just need that person particularly, I think with health. You need that person to be there that, you [00:39:00] know, when you, when, when you struggle with something or when you, it’s that bit difficult, if you doing it, if you’re working on it alone and you’ve come up with the whole plan by yourself and you’re working your way through it, it’s so much harder than when you’re working through it with someone who knows that you’re there.

They don’t have to be judgmental. They’re there. If you just go, I’m really struggling this week. I don’t really want to exercise this week or I am after the jam donuts this week or whatever it is. You know, it just helps to have someone around, I think. Okay.

Shari Johnson: Totally. Your accountability partner and your biggest cheerleader.

Annette Clubley: Yes, exactly. Exactly. So what is the best way to reach you is the best way to reach you on social? Like Facebook

Shari Johnson: I would say the best way is come in, join my Facebook group. It’s free, but there’s a lot of value. Like I was saying, you know, I do offer the complimentary monthly coaching, but then I also host these happy vibe, happy hours [00:40:00] where, you know, it’s very much like what we just had, I’ll bring in, you know, other experts in other fields and we’ll just have a chat. And then just, yeah, I’ll just, you know, It’s just the, you know, day-to-day conversations that, you know, we have with, with the other ladies in the group. So we’re just really there to support each other and cheer each other on and, you know, get some questions answered. And, you know, a lot of times we’ll feel very alone during this time of their lives, you know the question like “is this normal?” comes up an awful lot.

Annette Clubley: Yes. And it’s very reassuring to know that it’s perfectly normal. Yes, yes. I can understand that. Okay. Great. Well, you gave me the links earlier on to all of your different accounts so I can pop those into the post. And then if anybody is interested in reaching out to you or coming to join the group, then they can find you that way. So, yeah, thank you very much for that. That was very useful. Supplying me with all of those links. And yeah. [00:41:00] Yeah. Thank you very much for taking the time to talk to me

Shari Johnson: Thank you so much for having me. This has been a pleasure.

Annette Clubley: It’s been lovely to meet you. And yeah. Yeah. I, so I will, as I say, drop links into the posts so that people can come and find you if they’re interested in finding out more.

Okay. Thanks again.

Find Shari on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/HappyVibesHealth or her website https://happyvibeshealth.com/